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  • Ephesians 4 says, "And He gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God."

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August 28, 2008

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Pastor Greg Young

This was my correspondence with Bill after the events and after I challenged him on what you bring up Barry: (My reponse to his email is always the second paragraph)

Dear Bill,
Glad to hear back from you. I want to begin by offering an apology. I understand your position on your letter. I believe you were duped. It is easy to put on a show when the cameras are on, it is another matter to be consistent when the lights are off. Wife beaters get away with their abuse for years and no one knows. Same with those who deal with incest in their home. Just recently there was an evangelist who stored his wifes body in the freezer. Nobody knew and he was still preaching. Pastors had been to his home and thought all was well. No one knew his daughter was being molested. Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Philippians 2:3 Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself. 4 Let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others. Please see my notes below as I responded to your email paragraph by paragraph. I do believe I have as much right to write to you and express what I feel the Lord leading me to say as you or anyone else. I would ask you to be careful in that you have stood on a stage and proclaimed that you are one of the new apostles for the church. The statement from Lakeland was that there have not been so many apostles gathered in one place since Acts. No one mellowed that statement but rather it was embraced. When you esteem yourself so mightily you then accept a greater responsibility for your actions. I have been dealing with the fall out here because people here went there after you and others endorsed the movement. They have brought back the strange manifestations and we have been casting them out.

In His Service and For His Purpose,

Pastor Gregory Young
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----- Original Message ----
From: Bill Johnson
To: greg young
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:32:51 AM
Subject: Re: Taking responsibility for the Deception in Lakeland

Greg,
You obviously have an inflated view of your place in this world. And like most of the rest of the Christian media right now you lack to integrity to call, write, or ask one question before coming to your conclusions and making your accusations.
my comment
My statement was made after conferring with sources close to Todd and the family. Lack of integrity was shown by endorsing something that was filled with doctrinal error, false statements and a person of little integrity leading the way.


You have written that my statement about Todd is a hoax. What? Not one question about how I came to that conclusion? Not one inquiry about my experience with Todd and Fresh Fire Ministries? Just the accusation that I lied. May you never be treated the same way. I have watched Todd with his wife and children. He was affectionate and loving. Have things changed? Obviously. And there is no excuse. His response is entirely wrong! But for you to belittle and accuse just because you talked to someone on the inside who has different information is foolish at best. I didn't get my information from the talk of others. I have been there with the family. I wrote what I did out of personal observation, not here-say.
my comment
I knew how you came to your conclusion because my source was aware that you spent a short time with the family. Not enough time to make such a glowing endorsement. Were you aware of the previous affair with the previous staff member?


I have spend hours on this also with those "in the know." And I didn't start this last week. I was informed of the tragedy a few weeks ago and have been working behind the scenes to help wherever possible.
my comment
I did not start last week either. Only recently was I given access to reach out to people such as yourself to express my concerns. Had I had that opportunity sooner I certainly would have. God has had me stewing in this for some time and I felt challenged to engage. I am not invalidating your ministry. I respect you and your position from a biblical perspective. I have met several people from your church whom I admire. I am friends with GEN 14 and they know I pursue Jesus Christ with my whole heart. As stated in my first email which I have again attached I am a firm believer in the gifts, healing, moves of the Holy Spirit and seeing people encounter the risen Christ in all His power. This deception and tragedy as you call it has been playing out since April for many people, myself included.


You are not in the place of authority to make demands on the Revival Alliance. Get out of the illusion that we are actually answerable to you. my comment You will answer to God and so will I. There is no double standard. In the end judgement by God. I am adhering to the warning given Ezekiel and speaking what I was led to speak so that my hands remain clean.

So you have a nationally syndicated radio show. Use it for good. Promote the gospel. Help turn this tragedy around where we can learn and grow, without using your position to find someone to blame when you don't know what you are talking about.
my comment
When criticism of this movement first was stated by men like Lee Grady and Andrew Strom they were told that if you were not on board you were evil. If you are going to attack those who called for discernment then turn and say you have no responsibility when it turns out they were right??? That is not biblical or ethical No one is rejoicing over this in anyway. Someone needed to pull Todd aside and try to help him. I am told he does not listen well. Rebellion is as witchcraft, you can not sweep it under the carpet and hope is does not stink. There were some Israelites who tried that and the whole camp suffered. I do not want to give ammunition to the cessationist crowd anymore so I am asking for greater discernment for all concerned. God has worked into my life experiencing and understanding Him. The Word and the experience must match up and that can happen but we must be more discerning.

Start speaking of the things that God has worked into your life. You have genuine things to offer, and we need them. But you've got to stop this foolish accusation in the name of discernment, when in fact your ignorance in overwhelming.
my comment
Sir, You have not in any way responded to the first email I sent to you with many scripture references. Instead you attack me and try to bully me into quite submission. My words to you are not on my authority, but let us be reminded that we should not become as the Saduccees and Pharisees who believed themselves to be so far above the rest they could not be corrected. God used John the Baptist to announce the coming of His Son. John was no one of significance in the eyes of the establishment. Until he called them on their error he received no notice. I do not want attention. I do want to see the damage that his has done fixed and I fear that a greater deception than this is on its way. If those of you who call yourselves leaders remain arrogant and blind you will lead many to deception. See Paul's warning in 2 Corinthians 11 and John's in 1 John 4. I truly believe that this was brought about by ignorance of the Word. The general population is not reading and studying. The recent Pew Report confirms that most "Christians" 71% do not even believe that Jesus Christ is the only way. If the sheep are that confused how can they know how to discern the truth in a situation like this. The shepherds need to start doing their jobs, if you believe you are a chief shepherd then you will be held accountable for what you do with the position you say God has put you in.
In His Love and Service,
greg


Bill


Brianmpei

Hi Barry, thanks for posting this.

Knowing you a little, I was very surprised to see you on the stage that night, not because I don't think you're a leader, quite the contrary. I was surprised you'd be endorsing the things Todd was teaching, saying and doing. Thanks for explaining how you came to be there.

I'll admit that had you called me to something I'd never seen to show support for someone you believed in I'd have taken it at face value because I know you to be a man of character and integrity and a man who loves Jesus with passion and if you believed in someone it would have been good enough for me.

It helps clear up some of my confusion knowing you were responding to Peter the way I might have reacted to your request at another time or place.

I'll confess to you that I'm very frustrated with John, Bill Johnson and Che Ahn who all claimed to know Todd well, knew of 'some of his issues' and went through with it all publicly. I'm still mystified over that.

Again, thank you for your honesty and your transparency on this. It's encouraging and helpful.

Paul Burke

Hi Barry,
I appreciate your comments and posts on this and other issues, I appreciate that you are not shying away from the issues. One of my concerns is the prophetic words spoken over Todd. Peoples view of the prophetic is damaged when people are not accountable for what they say.

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